Andrey Fursov: Who really rules the world?

Historian Andrei Fursov has been studying the world's elites for many years

Almost half of Russians believe that we are controlled by Freemasons and Reptilians

Almost half of Russians believe in secrets world government! More precisely, 45 percent. This is data from a recent survey by the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM).

It is curious that the degree of belief in a secret omnipotent body grows along with the level of education of the citizens surveyed.

True, opinions about the composition of this “government” in Russia vary. Some believe that the planet is ruled by oligarchs, others blame the Americans, others blame the Freemasons, Jews, “some world politicians,” or specifically Obama, George Bush and Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. The confusion in the answers is understandable - the government is secret! A third of the Russians surveyed do not believe in him, and a quarter found it difficult to answer.

These 45 percent of our fellow citizens are essentially right, but they are wrong in form. There is no such form as a “secret world,” says historian Andrei Fursov, who has been studying the world’s elites for many years. - But closed supranational structures of global coordination and governance are a reality. These structures often dictate their will to governments, parliaments, and individuals. But they in no way represent a single body of the world elite.

- What is the world elite? - I ask the historian with hope. What if this is the very clandestine government of the planet. I really don’t want to part with the beautiful conspiracy theory that almost half of my compatriots believe in!

The world elite is a collection of families of monarchs (not all, of course), the old European aristocracy, bankers and industrialists. They are connected with each other by business, family and occult ties, organized into closed lodges, clubs, commissions, etc. A kind of family-business web that has existed in its current form for 150-200 years.

- Is the Queen of Great Britain coming there?

Of course. Like The Royal Family the Netherlands, a number of ducal and count families of Italy, Germany, Austria. These are not at all decorative figures, relics of the Middle Ages, as they are often depicted, but one of the segments of what British Prime Minister B. Disraeli called “masters of history”, and our wonderful writer O. Markeev - “masters of the world game”.

- And Obama?

God forbid! If Clinton said that the only thing Obama was good for was bringing coffee to bed for him and his wife, then in relation to the world elite, Barack is something like taking out the chamber pot. What are presidents and prime ministers in the West? High-ranking clerks whom the world's elite hired to serve their interests and placed in high chairs. Moreover, as a rule, special forces from the world elite look after the clerks. Like, for example, Colonel House under US President Wilson and the “assistant” of British Prime Minister Lloyd George, Lord Lothian. In reality, it was the president and prime minister who were with their “assistants.” A rare exception is Bush Sr. and his underage son as US presidents. The Bushes are part of the world's elite, they are distant relatives of the British Queen, they run the Skull and Bones society (an offshoot of the Illuminati) in Yell. But, I repeat, this is an exception. As a rule, presidents and prime ministers come from the middle class, which is looked down upon by the elite, especially in Anglo-Saxon countries. Let's remember the story when Thatcher announced the name of the fifth member of the Cambridge Five (high-ranking Englishmen - Soviet agents - Ed.) - Blunt, who, apparently, was the illegitimate son of George V, i.e. uncle of the current queen. The Windsors of Thatcher did not forgive this. The bourgeois woman (as another representative of the “gentleman class”, who then lived in Moscow, described her) eventually had to resign - also because of the attack on her owners.

- And Bill Gates, one of the leaders in the Forbes ranking of the world's billionaires - is he among the world's top?

Well, of course not, like all other representatives of “young money”, including Russian-speaking oligarchs. For all of them, the world elite has one phrase, according to Moidodyr: “Go home and wash your face.”

- But why is the myth of a world government so persistent?

This myth did not arise out of nowhere. On the need to create a world government back in late XVIII centuries, Swiss and Jewish bankers, the Illuminati, spoke. In the twentieth century, this was stated as a specific task by such representatives of the world elite as Warburg, N. Rockefeller, the ideologist of mondialism J. Attali and many others. And although a world government has not been created, the leadership has moved in this direction.

- Will it work?

I think no. The world is too big and complex to be controlled from one center. This is the first. Second: the world elite is not united. Clans compete with each other, and in the post-capitalist world there is not enough room for everyone. However, the top two or three dozen Families will come to an agreement. However, this is not enough to create a world government. Something else is needed. For example, reduce the world population from the current 7 to 2 billion; devastate a large part of the planet with wars, epidemics and famine; chip the majority of the population; standardize, level out national cultures; destroy the existing education system and all types of identity - national, family, racial, gender, human-species (transhumanists deal with the latter). In the West, the destruction of identities is in full swing. But there is Russia, China, India, the World of Islam, Latin America, where all these “stunts” will not work, where civilizational (suicide) murder in the spirit of the modern West, flying, led by the United States, into the abyss of History, is impossible. In this regard, it should be noted that behind the current confrontation between Russia and the United States/supranationals in Ukraine, among other things, lies a conflict between two projects for the future, two world orders: human and anti-human. After all, it is the Russian Federation, with its nuclear power, that still guarantees a certain Equilibrium in the world, Balance, and serves as a military shield for BRICS. But this is a separate topic.

- What about the “golden billion”?

To a large extent, this “thing” is like the hearth painted on canvas in the fairy tale about Pinocchio. About 30-40 years ago it was assumed that the inhabitants of the North (USA, Western Europe), numbering no more than a billion, would lock themselves in the “North” fortress (on both sides of the North Atlantic) and from there they would rule the world. However, the neoliberal counter-revolution of the 1980s-2000s, with its pursuit of maximum profits, buried the “golden billion” project in its original version. The dollar clouded the mind, and masses of people from the South were sent to the North in order to exploit cheap labor: Latinos in the USA, Africans, Arabs, Turks in Western Europe. Now the South has firmly established itself in the North, where a most acute contradiction has arisen, fraught with a terrible explosion. On the one hand, there is an aging, non-poor, declining and de-Christianizing population, a significant part of which is mired in vices and perversions (drug addiction, homosexuality). On the other hand, young, poor, socially angry, focused on family values Muslim (in North America - Latino-Catholics) population. Sooner or later, between these two “blocs” the Leninist question of “who will win” will arise, and a “great hunt” will begin. And then instead of the “golden billion” there will be “golden millions” who will try to live either in impregnable floating cities, or in mountain fortresses, or somewhere else. The “golden billion” as a strategy of the world elite is a thing of the past.

- Other conspiracy theorists reduce all events in the world, up to the civil war in Ukraine, to a confrontation between the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Whichever one of them wins will rule the world!

Indeed, in Lately They are actively promoting this line of confrontation between the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. Such a confrontation really exists. It played big role in the twentieth century, running like a red thread through it major events, including world wars, where the winning side was on the side of the Rockefellers. It is interesting that this confrontation began in Russian Empire- at the Baku oil fields. There, the Rockefellers “sponsored” strikes by workers in the “zone” owned by the Rothschilds. And the strikes were organized by the Bolsheviks of the Fioletov group, where Koba-Stalin played the most active role. The Russian Empire with its Baku oil, or more precisely, the Western owners of “black gold”, was the main competitor of Rockefeller’s Standard Oil at the beginning of the twentieth century. As a result of the revolution of 1917, Standard Oil (more precisely, the cluster of companies into which it was formally divided in the USA) became the absolute leader. The Rothschilds directly “entered” the USSR only after Stalin’s death, although the USSR was in constant contact with companies associated with them (for example, De Beers of the Oppenheimers). With the Rockefellers, especially in the first half of the 1930s Stalin's USSR worked very actively, but after the death of J. Rockefeller in 1937, the intensity decreased. The second coming of the Rockefellers (and with them the Warburgs) in the USSR took place in earnest in 1973, almost coinciding with the election of Yu.V. Andropov a member of the Politburo.

- Very interesting! Well, what about the current stage of the struggle between the Rothschilds and Rockefellers?

Everything is more complicated here. Firstly, in addition to the struggle, there is cooperation: both clans are represented in almost all any serious behind-the-scenes structures, although there are contradictions on the issue of world currency, at least on this moment, are essentially irreconcilable in nature. Secondly, the playground of the world elite is not limited to the Rothschilds and Rockefellers - there is the City of London, the Vatican, Arab and East Asian “houses”. I'm not even talking about the symbioses of clans, large states and transnational companies, which dramatically complicates the picture. Finally, thirdly, something tells me that just as the “right” and “left” were manipulated by the same individuals and groups, the same may be true with the “Rothschild-Rockefeller” couple according to the principle of “a Nanai boy fighting a bear” "

- Maybe someone who is even richer than them?

This or these “someones” are not necessarily richer. Money is just a function of power, which is based on one or another system of ideas - secular, and more often occult. Information and energy are more important than matter, and metaphysics are more important than physics. Sapienti sat.

- Many people believe that the world is ruled by Freemasons. They are the ones who killed Peter III, carried out the October Revolution and destroyed the USSR, they are the ones who rule the world.

Well, Freemasonry really played a big role, especially in the 18th century. 19th centuries. The “Freemasons” educated the human material that played a leading role in the era of revolutions of 1789-1848. in the West and came to power. However, the nationalization of Freemasonry created a number of problems. WITH late XIX century, new forms of organization of closed supranational structures were required, more adequate to the new era of global struggle for power, information and resources. It's about about the “Group” (or society “We”), which was created by S. Rhodes and developed by A. Milner, and other structures. Nobody canceled Freemasonry; it continued to play a certain, sometimes significant role, but ceased to be the only and dominant form of conspiracy structures. So, in the Russian revolution, the Masons of the lodge " Great East France" acted very actively (through Kerensky), but there were other forces associated with British intelligence, the Rockefellers, the Americans, the German General Staff and, of course, Russian counterintelligence, which bet on the imperially oriented Bolsheviks. The resultant of these forces is the October Revolution.

After the Second World War, a need arose for a new “generation” of closed organizational structures, and they appeared: Bormann’s Fourth Reich, the Bilderberg Club, the Club of Rome, the Trilateral Commission... Many of their members remained Freemasons, Illuminati, Bnaibritites, etc., but the structures were fundamentally new, “tailored” for new tasks.

- Well, what about the worldwide Jewish conspiracy, which not so few people believe in?

The basis of the legend of the “worldwide Jewish conspiracy” (Scottish Rite Freemasons made a major contribution to its development) is the fact that since the middle of the 19th century, Jews have been very active in the financial sphere, in the media, in science, and have largely taken a leading position in these areas . Moreover, it was Jewish capital that connected Great Britain and the United States, which had been at odds for a hundred years before, at the turn of the 20th centuries. The Jewish world diaspora is indeed a serious force, but it is far from the only one.

All major forces have their own long-term plans. Some call it a conspiracy, I prefer the term “project”. World history- this is a battle of Projects, their resultant.

Unfortunately, Russia, with the exception of the Stalin period, did not have its own Project.

- And the famous Comintern?

The Comintern, which was allegedly dissolved in 1943 (since 1936, Stalin had been leading the matter towards this and towards establishing control over the assets of this left-wing globalist organization) is not a Russian project. In general, it must be said that from the very beginning, many foreign elements were built into the “USSR project”, realizing the interests of various powers and structures (primarily closed ones). As history has shown, Stalin managed to suppress this artificiality only for a while, but after his death it gradually regenerated. Coupled with the interests of the degenerated Soviet nomenklatura, this factor played a big role in the liquidation of the project, or rather the totality of projects (which never became a system) of the USSR.

- What can you say about reptilians, Andrei Ilyich? This topic is very popular now in America. Although he is already walking in Russia. Two serious doctors of science assured me that power on the planet was seized by aliens from the planet Draka or Nibiru, who took on human form. All Western presidents are reptilians. But they can be recognized by their characteristic special signs. The Internet is full of videos of these reptilians in the White House, etc.

I love science fiction, fantasy. But I don’t want to comment on the version launched by the American Ike. I think such versions are deliberately spread in order to divert attention from the real secret control structures. And compromise the very search for hidden mechanisms historical process in general, including ancient history and the mystery of human origins.

- Then let's talk about very real structures, for example, the Bilderberg Club. Many people call it the secret government of the Earth. Once a year, high-ranking Bilderberg members gather in Rockefeller or Rothschild hotels and discuss behind closed doors actual problems humanity make their decisions.

Real power is secret power. And the Bilderberg Club is visible, they even have a website. Bilderberg is a facade organization of the world elite. The club was created in 1954 to reconcile the old European elite, both those that supported Hitler (“Ghibelline line”) and those that fought against him (“Guelph line”) with the Anglo-Saxons and their integration into their project in general and “European Union” in particular. Today, the Bilderbergs are testing those questions that are posed in a really closed, often informal mode.

- A sad anniversary awaits us in December. 25th anniversary of the “historic” meeting between Bush and Gorbachev in Malta. Formally, it became the end " cold war" In fact, Gorbi and his team shamefully surrendered the USSR and the entire socialist camp there to the West. Soon the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century happened - the collapse of the Soviet Union. The place of betrayal was clearly not chosen by chance: the island is the patrimony of the powerful Order of Malta. The two main bestsellers of the early 21st century, clearly promoted on a global scale by some very influential forces, also give rise to vague suspicions. Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code is about the Knights Templar and Opus Dei. JK Rowling's Harry Potter saga openly advertises the Order of the Hospitallers. There is a strong opinion that it is the orders, founded many centuries ago, that secretly direct the course of world development.

They don't direct - they just try. Moreover, both in conflict with each other and in the fight against the Anglo-Saxons. The name of the new Jesuit Pope “Francis” is a kind of gesture-symbol of the reconciliation of old opponents, the Jesuits and Franciscans in the face of pressure from the Anglo-Saxons. An ally of these two orders is the Order of Malta, whose long-standing specialization is mediation between the Vatican and MI6, the CIA. The Order of Malta is an element of the Vatican system. Yes, the surrender of the socialist camp and the USSR to the Americans and supranationals in the person of Bush Sr. took place in Malta, but Gorbachev flew to Malta from a meeting with Pope John Paul II, who blessed “Gorby” for the surrender of the social system and the country. The hierarchy is obvious.

An attempt to convince people that some separate structure is the Bilderbergs, the Maltese, the Freemasons, the Rothschilds, etc. they rule the world alone, taking them away from the real mechanisms of global governance, from the Network as a whole, replacing it with private cells. Another trick is to hide entire structures (corporations, banks) behind specific persons or in batches. Thus, National Socialism is presented to us as an act of the NSDAP and Hitler and Co. In fact, the creators of National Socialism and the Third Reich project were primarily Anglo-American bankers and industrialists, corporations such as I.G. FarbenindustrieAG.

You can read more about how these structures created the first form of the European Union - Hitler’s “Third Reich” in the very interesting book “World Wars and World Elites” by Dmitry Peretolchin. It was released in the series “Games of the World Elites. Andrey Fursov recommends reading" (Book World publishing house) We conceived this series specifically for the publication of works about the world elite and its structures.

Works by Alexander Shevyakin about how the USSR collapsed, Alexander Ostrovsky about Stalin and perestroika, and Vladimir Pavlenko about the Club of Rome. All three authors are excellent. I also highly recommend the novels of Oleg Markeev and Alexander Gera, which clarify the picture of the world. By the way, Hera and Markeev died under unclear circumstances...

- And the last question: what awaits us? Victory for the organizers of the world government?

Hardly. There are clan, ethno-civilizational and - still - state interests that are difficult to reconcile. So that the Chinese or Muslims would go under a world government? And the Russians won’t go either. It is realistic to reduce the number of closed supranational structures, each of which will control its own macro-regional bloc. And this is far from the realities of world government. Moreover, when the world collapses - and the world of capitalism collapses! - they are saved, although not alone, but not all together, but in packs. We are waiting for the struggle of “packs” - very different. And old, very ancient, and relatively young. Closed societies, once they arise, as a rule, do not disappear, they are transformed, be it the priestly organizations of the ancient Middle East, the Triads, the Templars, the Masons, the Illuminati, the Anglo-Saxon clubs, the Comintern, the Fourth Reich and many others. Matter (people), energy (money) and information (ideas), having united, acquire suprahuman, suprasocial qualities and begin to exist on their own, carefully protecting themselves, their boundaries and convincing the world is that they do not exist as organizations. Another thing is that over time they transform, take on new forms (“the snake” sheds its old skin and bites its own tail), and enters into bizarre relationships with each other and façade structures. But the day comes when, in a crisis, the decisive battle for the Future is approaching, and closed structures come to the surface and (or) make themselves known. I think this is precisely why the sharply increased volume of printed materials about secret societies is connected. The future is coming, and the one who grabs the trump cards will win. Therefore, when asked what currency to store money in, I answer: in “Kalashnikov assault rifle” currency. Or at least a good set of throwing knives.

FROM THE KP DOSSIER

Fursov Andrey Ilyich, 63 years old. Director of the Center for Russian Studies, Moscow University for the Humanities; Director of the Institute for Systemic Strategic Analysis. Academician of the International Academy of science (Innsbruck, Austria). Author of more than 400 scientific publications, including 11 monographs. New books have recently been published: “Forward to Victory!”, “The Cold East Wind of the Russian Spring”, “Russian Interest”. Gave lectures at universities in the USA, Canada, Germany, Hungary, India, China, and Japan. Member of the Russian Writers' Union. Winner of prestigious awards for scientific, journalistic and social activities.

12 best books about the hidden mechanisms of power from the historian Fursov:

2. A. Ostrovsky “Stupidity or Treason? Investigation into the death of the USSR."

3. V. Pavlenko. Myths of “sustainable development”.

4. A. Shevyakin. “How the USSR was killed.”

5. S. Norka “Conspiracy against Russia.”

6-8. O. Markeev. "Threat of Invasion." "Black Moon". "Unaccounted factor."

9. A. Hera. NABAT (trilogy).

10. D. Peretolchin. "World Elites and World Wars."

11. E. Ponomareva. “Criminal International in the Center of Europe. How NATO creates bandit states.”

12. Yu. Emelyanov “The mortal battle of Nazi leaders. Behind the scenes of the Third Reich."

MIKHEEV: This is an old topic. Or rather, it is, of course, unprecedented in terms of impudence, but, on the other hand, it was able to take place precisely in connection with their sense of permissiveness and omnipotence: they can do what we cannot.

I have said many times and will repeat again: unfortunately, we ourselves have done a lot to get into a position in which, as it seems to them, they have the right to everything, and we have no right to anything.

Nevertheless, with regard to the expulsion of diplomats, I think that we need to react in a mirror way at a minimum - expel the same number. True, there is a discussion that, perhaps, there is no need to expel diplomats from those countries that are clearly doing this under force and simply show with all their appearance that they were forced to do this - for example, countries that expel 1-2 diplomats. It is quite obvious that, in general, this is such a disguised evidence that in fact there is no such special incredible unity there - in this Western camp. And many do this contrary to their interests, contrary to at will and under wild pressure from the Americans and some other countries - such as Great Britain, for example. And so, they say, let us take pity on them and show them that we have such differentiated approach, at the same time we will introduce some confusion between them.

I don’t know, maybe it makes sense to think about it, but I think so that they don’t think too much about themselves, it’s better to react in a mirror way. Because, frankly, I’m not sure that anyone in Europe is ready to appreciate our steps of goodwill. I don't remember this ever happening...

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— Hello Andrei Ilyich, it seemed that after the presidential elections in Russia, the screaming and shouting in the Western world against our country would subside. Exactly the opposite happened: they expel our ambassadors from Europe and the USA, come up with God knows what kind of economic dirty tricks... And our Foreign Ministry continues to call this entire public “partners” and show its toothless mouth. Where is the famous pride of the Great Russians?

— The loss of strategic vision by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not today, and not even the times of Yeltsin and Gorbachev. This began in the late 60s, when the Soviet Union began to react to circumstances rather than create them. It was possible, for example, to cause serious damage to NATO by provoking an internal crisis during the “Paris Spring”. But we decided to come to an agreement with the Americans: they do not interfere in Czechoslovak affairs, we do not interfere in the affairs of France. Although, it was possible, through the French Communist Party and through the trade unions, to provoke NATO to send troops to Paris in 1968. And then, for decades, screaming about how “the dirty NATO boot crushed the wonderful Parisian spring.”

Yes - US President Lyndon Johnson assured us that they would not interfere. From a political technology point of view, the Americans did everything correctly. They didn't really intervene "militarily." But they provoked our entry of troops into Czechoslovakia. Back on August 3, 1968, negotiations between the Soviet leadership and the Czechoslovak leadership took place in Bratislava, amid the screams of a raging crowd. The Soviet leadership gave in to the Czechoslovaks: build your Czechoslovak “socialism with a human face,” but there are two conditions: stop Russophobic propaganda and stop all talk about Czechoslovakia’s withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact. And what? On August 5, an article appeared in Pravda, “The plans of imperialism are foiled,” and the next day a mass demonstration began in Prague. The Czechs are ringing the keys, “Ivan go home” - and the slogan “Czechoslovakia must leave the Warsaw Pact organization.” This was a direct provocation aimed at getting the Soviet Union to send in troops. This could have been avoided, but Brezhnev wasted his time.

— Tell me, why was there no attempt at such a political exchange in Afghanistan? Why did the United States finally get involved with the supply of Stinger MANPADS and began to shoot down Soviet planes and helicopters? Then a tragedy began, which ultimately led to the collapse of Soviet Union.

I don’t think that Afghanistan is the factor that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. And the “Stingers” were not the very beginning. The most important thing is that we were lured to Afghanistan. And on the Soviet side, two people actively advocated for sending troops into Afghanistan - Ustinov and Andropov. Gromyko supported them. There is no direct evidence, but judging by all the indirect evidence and evidence, Ustinov and Andropov were solving a very simple problem: the Afghan war allowed the Committee State Security and the Ministry of Defense to bring very large financial flows under control, these were departmental decisions.

“It’s clear how the Americans managed to lure us into Afghanistan: with the imaginary threat of their own invasion. How did they manage to lure us to Ukraine? How was it possible to create such a situation when a third, or even half of the Ukrainian population became, in fact, not only enemies, but were poisoned with anti-Russian poison?

— The Americans have been actively working on this since the late 80s, late Gorbachev. And in the 90s, several hundred NGOs worked there. Almost all major universities in Ukraine had so-called “NATO rooms”. If you want to get a good place work, your diploma should have a note that you took such and such courses in the “NATO room”. We didn’t work there, we had a half-dead Rossotrudnichestvo, which was doing something unclear. The Americans divided Ukrainian society into segments - social, age, with each of which its own NGO worked. At this time, the Ambassador to Ukraine Chernomyrdin was playing the button accordion and singing songs with the Ukrainian oligarchs, and Zurabov was also doing something unclear. Our government in the 90s and early 2000s believed that everything needed to be negotiated with the oligarchs. We did not take care to create truly pro-Russian forces there.

It must be said that alarming processes began back in Soviet times. In 1955, Secretary General Khrushchev signed an amnesty for almost all those who collaborated with the Nazis during the war, including in Ukraine. About 100 thousand former Banderaites returned to 5 western regions of Ukraine. In addition, from 1955 to 1965, about 100 thousand Ukrainians from Canada returned to Ukraine. We arrived with money.

-Who allowed them?

— Khrushchev allowed these people to return. Most importantly, as soon as Khrushchev signed this amnesty, Bandera’s leadership changed tactics. They stopped the armed struggle in Western Ukraine and gave the command: Bandera’s members and members of their families must do everything to take places in Soviet, trade union, Komsomol, party organizations, and integrate into them properly. The integration of nationalists began, and quite successfully.

Already in the mid-60s, nationalism flourished so that it was even reflected in football; I remember even the football authorities of the Soviet Union raised the issue with the leadership of Dynamo Kiev so that goals scored by the people of Kiev would not be declared at the Kiev stadium as a victory: “The goal was scored by Vasil Turyanchik!

Who was one of the initiators of the collapse of the Soviet Union? The man who was responsible for the national issue in the Ukrainian leadership was Leonid Kravchuk. This is the basis for a very well-developed American program, not even propaganda, but a psychohistorical program. And in 25 years you can recode an entire generation. It must be said that sociocultural psychohistorical recoding is something that is currently being developed by Western intelligence services. In Ukraine, among other things, there was an experiment.

— What can we hope for after such a “recoding” in Donetsk and Lugansk?

— Donetsk and Lugansk are traditionally Russian regions. An example from football: in 1968, Ukrainian teams agreed that in Kyiv they would hand over the game to Dynamo Kyiv, and play a draw with them on their fields. All Ukrainian teams agreed except Shakhtar Donetsk. The party organization in Donetsk has always had tense relations with the party organization in Kyiv. This even manifested itself in sports. Lugansk and Donetsk are not Ukraine. Another thing is that people there are already incredibly tired. This may play a role. Although, I can’t imagine that we would surrender Donetsk and Lugansk. And so that after all this blood they fall under the Ukrobander regime.

— Now, as it was 2 years ago, the Ukrainian army is preparing an offensive to divide Donetsk and Lugansk. Do you think we will provide military assistance?

“I don’t know in what form, but I am convinced that effective assistance should be provided. Otherwise, the Russian leadership will simply lose face, and many neighbors will decide that they can wipe their feet on us. For example, in Kazakhstan and everywhere else. Therefore, Donetsk and Lugansk are the zones, the violation of which should lead to a very harsh reaction.

— Have they begun to put pressure on Russian oligarchs in the West? The goal is clear - to set them against Putin: with the possibility of carrying out a coup. What forks does President Putin have today?

— The fork is very serious. We live what is created in Soviet time and we are eating away the Soviet legacy. If you look at similar turning points in Russian history, there were two of them. In 1565, on the eve of the oprichnina, and under Stalin. By 1565, the legacy of the Horde era was eaten away, when there was almost no land left to distribute to the “children of the boyars” as estates. By 1929, the legacy of the Russian Empire had been eaten away. The authorities were faced with the question: at the expense of which layers will we make a leap into the future, at the expense of whom to a greater extent?

Both times the jerk was made by pinching mainly the top. This, by the way, was precisely what liberal noble historians could not forgive Ivan the Terrible, and not because he allegedly killed his son. This is precisely what the Soviet elite cannot forgive Stalin. In both cases, a breakthrough followed, and both of these breakthroughs brought the country forward each time. In the case of Ivan the Terrible it was longer and more dramatic; with Stalin everything happened faster.

Now the situation is the same - the Soviet legacy has been eaten away. The only thing we have really made progress in is raising the armed forces, but not industry. By 1937, the Soviet Union had secured military-industrial autarky from the West. Now there can be no talk of any autarky: we simply have an army that can fight, and the types of weapons that can be used have appeared.

Now there is a fork again, which comes to this. After 1991, two groups took shape in the Russian ruling stratum - one I conventionally call “orders”, and the other “controllers”. “Clerks” are those who are ready to hand over the country to transnational corporations even now. The “controllers” come from something else. They live by the principle “the bear will not give up his taiga.” In this regard, they act as representatives of their country. However, the “controllers” and the “orders” have something in common - they are all supporters of a liberal market economy. If this does not create problems for the “orders”, then it creates problems for the “controllers”, because if you oppose the “orders” and come into conflict with their masters, you need the support of the population. And what kind of support can there be if you are carrying out those “reforms” that are destroying the economy, health care, which is turning into a health care burial, and destroying the education system.

This contradiction is insoluble. In addition, it is layered with another contradiction - the growing conflict with the West, and it will grow. At the same time, society, the youth, is moving to the left, “neo-Sovietism” is in fashion, and the ideology of the top is different. Yes: foreign policy pressure can bring people together for a while. But if this is not supported by certain economic and social measures within the country, then it is difficult to say how this system will develop.

- Ivan the Terrible solved this problem with the oprichnina, Stalin with the “red terror”. We're talking about Putin. Won't our president be tempted to hang a dog's head and a broom on the new guardsmen, as was the case under Ivan the Terrible, and purge the modern elite: make them run away, or send them to logging?

- In fact, Stalin solved this issue differently: he did not have his own oprichnina, but he used the oprichnina principle of the Cheka - he set one group against another. As for the terror of 37-38, it had a difficult relationship with Stalin. The historian Yu.N. Zhukov wrote about this very well, the materials have been declassified, and the situation is now clear. In 1936, Stalin tried to introduce the principle of alternative elections into the new Constitution. But at his own political bureau he lost: 3 votes for him, 8 against. The logic of his opponents was this: if alternative elections are allowed, then the people can choose the children of landowners, capitalists and priests. This cannot be done. Stalin lost, but the regional barons, including Postyshev, Eikhov, Khrushchev, thought this was not enough for them. Postyshev and Eikhov came to Stalin and actually demanded quotas for the “seizure” of hostile population groups. In this situation, if Stalin had refused, he could have ended up in the Lubyanka himself. Stalin chose an asymmetrical answer: “Do you want terror? Okay, there will be terror for you. You run this car on the bottom, and I’ll run it on the top.”

The terror of 1937-1938 consisted of two processes: mass process, which was launched by regional barons, and the process at the top, which was launched by Stalin. As soon as Stalin achieved his goals, the terror was curtailed, Beria replaced Yezhov, and the “Beria Thaw” began.

Returning to the current situation, the following must be said. In order to realize what Ivan the Terrible and Stalin did in their time, you need to have 3 things: first, you need to have a repressive apparatus; second, you need to have an ideology, otherwise all repression will result in banditry; third, you need to have a massive social support.

Regarding the third point. We did not have a social base for this. But thanks to the efforts of liberal citizens (real liberalism in the world died in the 1910s and 1920s), we now have a layer of the urban lower classes that we can rely on. A mass of dissatisfied population has appeared, among whom these neo-Soviet leftist ideas are spreading. It is possible to create a repressive apparatus, but you need an ideology - for the sake of which all this is being done. It doesn’t exist, but what about without ideology?

— Let's return to the “world behind the scenes.” Already the third world war ready to untie?

— The current situation is somewhat reminiscent of the 30-40s of the 19th century. After the British realized that Russia was their main enemy, they began to prepare a European coalition. It was then, in the twenties of the 19th century, that Russophobia arose in Britain as a phenomenon - hostility towards Russia. During the years 1830-40, the British processed European public opinion. Pay attention to the intensity of the current anti-Russian hysteria. This did not happen during the Cold War, because the Soviet Union was strong, and no one was going to fight with it. This does not mean that they will definitely break into war. Everything will depend on how strong, durable, united we are, etc., but the intensity of hysteria in the West is, of course, preparing the population for the fact that a strike on Russia is a morally justified and practically necessary matter. Hatred of Russia captures entire sections of the population; it becomes completely irrational. This is what we will be living with for the coming years.

— Andrei Ilyich, why have the leaders of Russia from time immemorial so wanted the love of the West? Why is any bunch of English or Warsaw gentlemen discussed here, on Channel One, on Russian television talk shows are rampant, where Soloviev and many others splutter at the words of idiots unknown to us: about whom we don’t even want to know anything? Where does the inferiority complex come from?

— Back in the 18th century, our society split into a Western-like class of masters and a class of serfs. The first quickly turned into a kind of united pro-Western nation, and the people remained the people. The split is threefold: class, cultural and socio-ethnic. That's why Civil War It was so cruel here - two fundamentally different social “creatures” fought. Our nobles in the 18th century, from the time of Catherine, lived not by their own needs, but by Western ones. Not realizing that Western needs were met by an order of magnitude more developed economy. Therefore, in order for the Russian nobles to lead a socially acceptable noble lifestyle, it was necessary, in Marxist language, to take away from the population not only the surplus product, but also part of the necessary product.

— Our pro-Western rich are not descendants of nobles. Where do they get such sycophancy?

— It started back in Soviet times. I really want to go where it’s clean and bright. What is Berezovsky? An unfortunate, downtrodden guy, and suddenly - that’s it for him! These people ran out of laboratories, from gateways, they had their own idea of ​​\u200b\u200bthe sweet life, in addition, they did not like a lot about Soviet life. This mentality was superimposed on this.

When Ronald Reagan became President of the United States, for all its simplicity, three independent groups were created that were supposed to give a forecast of what would happen to capitalism in the next 10-15 years. Everyone gave the same forecast: in 1987-1988, the world economy will face a very serious crisis. Production in the Western sector will fall by 25%, in the Soviet Union by 10-15%, and the Soviet sector will endure this much easier than the Western sector due to the planned nature of the economy. And people are used to tightening their belts.

The political consequences, they predicted, would be as follows: communists could come to power in Italy and France, and left-wing Labor in England. Nothing like this is expected in the USA, but riots among the black population and lower classes are likely largest cities. In 92-93, another crisis will strike, and this will be the finale.

Reagan took this seriously. The most interesting thing is that at the very beginning of the 80s in the Soviet Union, two people - V. Krylov and P. Kuznetsov - prepared for Andropov an analysis of what would happen to the capitalist world and the socialist one. The conclusions were similar to the American ones, but no one listened to them.

After the collapse in October 1987. At the New York Stock Exchange, Greenspan, appointed head of the Federal Reserve, said that only a miracle would save the United States. This miracle was the destruction of the Soviet Union. And the subsequent plunder of the former socialist zone led to the fact that for the last 3 years of Clinton’s second presidency, the United States had a surplus for the first time in 30 years. The destruction of the Soviet Union really gave the West 20-25 years peaceful life, but then the 2008 crisis hit anyway. Now there is a struggle over what the post-capitalist world will be like. Russia has no place in this world, as Brzezinski formulated. According to him, the world of the 21st century will be built at the expense of Russia, to the detriment of Russia, on the bones of Russia. What is currently swirling around Russia is an attempt to create a springboard for a final solution to the Russian question. Moneybags intuitively sense this and keep their nose to the wind.

— The crisis of Western economies in the 80s of the last century was solved due to the rise of China with Western money. They helped the Chinese and there was only one desert left on the world map - this is the Russian Federation, where there are no roads, where there is uncultivated land. Why, instead of prolonging the pleasure and taking the whole capitalist world to Russia and integrating it into their conglomerate, they are giving us missiles, bombs... They are generally scaring us with the devil! Where is the logic?

The world has definitely entered a zone of turbulence this summer. Here are just the most high-profile events. Brexit in England, threatening the collapse of the entire European Union; the Warsaw NATO summit, which actually declared a cold war on Russia; attempted coup in Turkey with 18 thousand detainees, including more than a hundred generals; obstacles for Russian athletes to participate in the Summer Olympics in Rio; a series of monstrous July terrorist attacks in Germany, France, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria; strange anti-police squabbles in quiet places like Kazakhstan and Armenia; murder of journalist Sheremet in Kyiv...

IS LERMONTOV PLANNING?

Maybe, really, Mikhail Yuryevich is to blame for these cataclysms, as occultists and astrologers say? July 27 marked the 175th anniversary of the poet’s tragic death. And on Lermontov’s anniversaries something terrible always happens, noted Anna Akhmatova, a great lover of mysticism. On the centenary of the birth, 1914 - the First World War, on the 125th anniversary (1939) - the Second World War, the centenary of death - the Great Patriotic War! On the 150th anniversary (1964) - they overthrew Khrushchev, the leader of the socialist camp, who threatened America with his boot and nuclear missiles. 150th anniversary of death (1991) – State Emergency Committee, resignation of Gorbachev, collapse of the USSR, US victory in the Cold War. 200th anniversary (2014) - coup d’état in Kyiv, Crimea, the war in Donbass, the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions, the beginning of an acute confrontation between Russia and the West...

And here is a new round of tension on the next anniversary of the poet’s death. Will it turn into World War III? By the way, the First began on July 28, the Second on September 1. I’m not even talking about the August State Emergency Committee, which was also associated with Lermontov. We have just entered this dark time period.

“Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov has absolutely nothing to do with this,” the famous historian, director of the Center for Russian Studies at Moscow Humanitarian University Andrei Fursov categorically states. – Answers must be sought not in heaven, but on sinful earth.

IF THERE IS WAR TOMORROW...

- So let's look, Andrei Ilyich! Is World War III threatening Russia? There are too many signs of it now.

— Indeed, the pre-war situation is reminiscent of the rabid and unbridled Russophobic campaign in the West. It is coming on all fronts, including economic sanctions, toughening of the rhetoric of NATO leaders, and a “doping attack” on Russian Olympic athletes. Such campaigns are usually conducted in order to convince the average person that striking at some “fiend of evil” is justified. This is the kind of outcast, “bad guy” that certain circles in the West are trying to create from the Russian Federation informationally. Similarly, the British, preparing for the Crimean War of 1853-1856, already launched the “Russophobia” project in the 1830s. And they convinced the Europeans of the need to strike Russia. We were then hit by a coalition of British, French, Ottoman Empires and the Kingdom of Sardinia.

- So, war again is not today or tomorrow?

- Now the situation is different. We have the legacy of Stalin and Beria - nuclear weapon. So the West itself is unlikely to risk openly fighting against us, at least for now. But it can create problems along the perimeter, using Poland, the “Baltic dwarfs” or Nazi Ukraine as a springboard. Controlled chaos strategy.

— Like in the “Arab Spring”?

- According to the method of action - yes. As for the object - no. Russia is not an Arab state or even the sum of them. As Alexander Marshall recently sang in a wonderful song, addressing the Americans: “Russia is not Vietnam or Bosnia!”

Today the US priority is the chaos of Europe. The American elite hardly hides this.

WESTERN GAMES OF THRONES

— But Europe is Washington’s closest ally! According to NATO, anti-Russian sanctions.

— One of the goals of the Russophobic campaign is to tie the European Union tighter to Washington, to make it more manageable, worsening relations between Europeans and Russia.

— Intrigued.

— Chaotization is happening before our eyes. These are millions of refugees who suddenly poured into Europe from countries affected by the “Arab Spring”, bombed Libya, exhausted by ISIS and “moderate” terrorist organizations from Syria, neighboring states of the East and Africa. So the Americans did not organize the “Arab Spring” by accident. They knew where they were going. But the destabilization of Europe through Operation Migration Crisis is part of a much larger, essentially global game, the battle of Western “thrones” for the future.

- Reveal the secret!

- There are no secrets. All the secrets are on the surface. To support its economy without a large-scale war, the Anglo-Saxon “throne” - the USA - needs to “eat” several economies South-East Asia. To do this, they came up with the TPP - Trans-Pacific Partnership. Trade agreement between 12 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. USA, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Malaysia, Vietnam, Chile, Japan, etc. It has already been signed on February 4, 2016. Next in line are Indonesia, Thailand, Taiwan, the Philippines, and South Korea. But this is just an exotic snack.

The main dish is the European Union. For him, the Americans have prepared their noose - TTIP. Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. The world's largest free trade area between the European Union and the United States. With its help, they want to do to the EU the same thing that Western Europe did to Eastern Europe after the fall Berlin Wall. In short, the Western European economy - the basis of the European Union - will be eaten up. After all, judging by the documents, both zones - TPP and TTIP - should give complete freedom to American transnational corporations. There will be desovereignization of a number of states.

This prospect, of course, does not delight the Western European “throne”.

- I haven’t heard of this!

— It includes the British royal family of Windsor, the conditional Rothschilds as top managers of one and a half dozen largest financial and industrial families, aristocratic families of Guelph origin in Northern Italy and Southern Germany, the Vatican. Of course, these “thrones” themselves have their own contradictions. But in the face of a common danger, they work together to oppose the creation of the Transatlantic Zone. Therefore, negotiations on TTIP are difficult, the signing of the agreement is delayed, much to the displeasure of Obama. Opposition to full transatlanticization in Europe will grow. Well, in response - I really want to be wrong - most likely there will be explosions.

An interesting situation has arisen. In order to “suck” Europe into the Transatlantic, the Anglo-Saxon “throne” needs the European Union, but a weakened one. This makes it easier to reach an agreement with his leadership in Brussels. And in order to thwart the plans of its rival, the Western European “throne” needs to destroy the European Union. After all, it will be more difficult for Americans to negotiate with each of the almost thirty states. But even if successful, it will take more time to design the Zone. Thus, both “thrones” are moving the European Union in the direction of weakening. Only one wants to stop somewhere, and the other wants to reach the end. Therefore, the migration crisis suits both. It is important when the command follows: “Conductor, apply the brakes.”

— Is Brexit also a game of thrones? But Obama himself publicly opposed it!

“Politicians should be judged not by their words, but by their deeds.”

True, Brexit is a more complex and long-lasting maneuver. The goal here is not only to weaken the European Union. By leaving the EU, the ruling class of Great Britain frees its hands. Firstly, now he can, as before, enter into bilateral relations with the United States. Secondly, it can participate in Chinese projects much more freely than before. Thirdly, getting rid of the European Union chains will help more actively develop its invisible financial empire, which the outstanding British statesman Lord Mountbatten began to build and restore in the 1970s.

So, returning to the terrorist attacks. After Brexit, the role of Germany and France will clearly increase in the European Union. And right away it’s a coincidence in these countries? – a wave of terror swept through.

WHO SOWED THE ISLAMIST WIND

- Well, ISIS inherited this. What does Game of Thrones have to do with it?

“It’s not so simple with ISIS either.

Islamism arose back in the 20-30s of the last century and subsequently developed as a reaction to the inability of secular Arab regimes to solve the problem of economic development and minimal social justice. Almost from the very beginning, the British intelligence MI6 worked with him, and from the 50s the CIA and Mossad became involved. In 1979, the Islamic revolution broke out in Iran, Tehran became a center of attraction for radical Islam.

However, it was the United States that provided the material and technical basis for the global expansion of the phenomenon, which was later called “international Islamic terrorism.” This is their “merit”.

- How?

— As Alexander Afanasyev noted in “The Contagion Zone” (taking this opportunity, I recommend this and other novels by a wonderful author to KP readers), before entering Soviet troops in Afghanistan, the USSR and the USA waged their confrontation in the Third World, be it Asia, Africa or Latin America, offering alternative projects for creating modern society- socialist and capitalist. But we were talking specifically about modern projects. In Afghanistan, the failing United States relied on the forces of the archaic world, on the forces of the past.

- Mountain tribes, bearded Mujahideen...

— And they let the genie out of the bottle. After finishing Afghan war strengthened Islamists spread throughout the Middle East. And they began to bite their owner.

— Bin Laden went from being a friend to becoming “Terrorist Number 1” in the world according to the United States.

“Then the move to utilize religious fundamentalism for secular purposes was repeated by officers of the Baath Party, who were thirsty for revenge after the Americans defeated the regime of Saddam Hussein. These completely secular people also decided to ride the Islamist wave. This is how the Islamic State, banned in Russia, arose.

“Which, before the capture of Baghdad by the Americans, was just a feeble branch of Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda in Iraq.

“It is very important that former English Prime Minister Tony Blair admitted the guilt of the Anglo-Saxons for the emergence of this organization.

I repeat, it was the United States, through its actions in Afghanistan in the 80s, that gave a powerful impetus to the formidable and wild force of the 21st century - Islamism.

Another thing is that already at the beginning of the century they received feedback - the boomerang returned and hit the hunter painfully. What happened was what the American analyst C. Johnson predicted in his famous book “Blowback”.

It was this “return” that the United States tried to use to its advantage, defining it as “international terrorism.”

Please note: neither the Italian “Red Brigades”, nor the German “Red Army Faction”, nor other similar militant groups of the late twentieth century were called “international terrorism”. The term appeared after the September 11th provocation, when the Americans needed to pin it on someone. It is clear that only that which affects the interests of America or is directed against it can be of “international significance.” Plus, with the end of the Cold War, the collapse of the former enemy - the USSR, it was necessary to invent and construct a new enemy of the USA and the West - as evil opposing the North Atlantic “good”. International terrorism was assigned to the role of this “evil”. But without ideological coloring, he was too thin to confront the West. That's why he was hooked on Islam. The image of “evil” immediately began to look very powerful, grandiose, and attractive. Why, an entire world religion, an array of peoples! Exactly what the United States and its satellites needed.

- Like in the Cold War - a whole world ideology, communist, an array of socialist countries. In the face of a new “danger”, you can enter Afghanistan, Iraq, and organize an “Arab Spring”!

“Although it is obvious that most of the Islamic doctrine has nothing to do with terrorism.

By the end of the 20th century, a new global redivision of the world arrived, allowing “international terrorists” to increasingly escape the control of their curators and enter into complex relations of struggle and cooperation with them.

- How is that?

— It is clear that major politicians, like Obama, have no contacts with international terrorists. There are special services for this. CIA, MI6, Mossad and others. They serve states, transnational corporations at the core of the capital system, and closed supranational groups for global coordination and governance. And to a large extent they also control terrorist organizations. Or even create and then direct their activities. However, sometimes the dog goes berserk and bites the owner, but that’s another question. At a minimum, these organizations are infiltrated by Western intelligence agencies.

And if we talk specifically about Islamists, their interests coincide with the interests of transnational companies, they have the same enemy - secularism nation state. It is no coincidence that the author of the best-selling books “Dollars of Terror” and “Scenes of Terror” R. Labeviere, former editor-in-chief of the French “RadioFrance Internationale”, called the Islamists “ watchdogs globalization the American way." By the way, it is no secret for well-informed, high-quality global journalism that 90% of global drug trafficking is in one way or another controlled by the three largest intelligence services of the West: the CIA, MI6, Mossad, and 10% is accounted for by criminal and international terrorist structures, permeated with intelligence agencies. This is no coincidence. 50% of banks in the world lend to drug trafficking - fast, “real” money, liquidity, without which these banks would not be able to function normally and, most likely, would go bankrupt. So here, too, the interests of the intelligence services and terrorists coincide.

It is necessary to distinguish between two types of terrorist attacks. Those behind which the intelligence services' ears are clearly sticking out. Like in Nice, where the attack was timed to coincide with July 14, the French national holiday - Bastille Day. An ordinary Arab loser would not come up with such a thing. And having the nature of “unmotivated individual outbursts of violence.” Like the “Afghan lumberjack” who chopped up people on a train.

- Or the “Munich shooter”, “Syrian with a machete”...

- However, there is such a thing as an induced mental epidemic. These outbreaks of violence also have something to do with the rise social tension in Western Europe, which is becoming a very, very unsafe place.

A string of terrorist attacks and violence in July has convinced the Germans and French that their governments are not in control. Which, among other things, hits hard on a certain part of the European elite, like Merkel, Hollande, and the leaders of the European Union. Plays to further weaken the EU. This is no coincidence.

Russia vitally needs the long-delayed “unpopular reforms,” former Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation and potential candidate for Prime Minister Alexei Kudrin is sure. Will they be implemented in the next 6 years of Vladimir Putin's rule? And how will the current presidential term differ from previous ones? “BUSINESS Online” is answered by Mikhail Delyagin, Evgeny Satanovsky, Andrey Nechaev, Vladislav Zhukovsky, Andrey Fursov, Rustem Kurchakov and others.

“FIRST OF ALL, THERE SHOULD BE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CRIMINAL CODE IN RELATION TO RUSSIAN OFFICIALS”

Mikhail Delyagin - political scientist:

First of all, there must be enforcement of the Criminal Code in relation to Russian officials, in particular in relation to those liberal reformers who use their official position to destroy Russia. Mr. Kudrin was the Minister of Finance of Russia for 11.5 years and created many openly criminal schemes, in particular, borrowing money at relatively high rates and investing these funds in Western securities at very low interest rates, causing colossal damage. Without basic good faith, no economic policy is possible. If crimes are not punished, they become the norm, in fact, which is what we see in the example of Kudrin.

As for unpopular measures, you need to understand that these are anti-people measures. When liberals call for eternally unpopular reforms, they seek to cause maximum damage to Russia, because they serve the interests of global speculators, which are contrary to the interests of any nation. If Putin keeps these liberals in power, then Russia will be destabilized before the end of this term. When the governor of the Moscow region is beaten, this indicates that the population can no longer endure such a socio-political situation. And Mr. Vorobyov is in good standing in power, before this incident he was even considered as a candidate for the post of prime minister... This is not to hit some drunkard.

Andrey Nechaev - former minister economy of the Russian Federation, chairman of the “Civil Initiative” party:

Reform needed social sphere, judicial, increasing property protection. We need everything that will help create a favorable investment climate. You can open our program either on my website or on the party’s website - it says how I imagine the necessary reforms, but for the next 6 years these reforms will not be implemented, since Putin is not ready to risk his popularity and rating. These elections demonstrated that the population is ready to endure further deterioration in living standards, corruption, restrictions on democratic freedoms, and the arms race. Incentives for reform and motivation are sharply reduced. I think that there will be a further aggravation of the international situation, the strengthening of a new stage of the Cold War and a vegetation in the economy.

Evgeniy Satanovsky - economist, founder and president of the independent research center “Middle East Institute”:

Kudrin is one of the main culprits of everything that happens to the state apparatus. It was he who was one of the main creators of this complex, intricate, unreformed system. Thank you very much for his kind words that we need reforms, but this is the same as saying that breathing is good for your health. Kudrin represents that part of the elite that has worked and continues to work to ensure that the state stops paying attention to what the population needs - and finally separates itself from caring about it. In fact, no one is needed for it, except for that part of the population that serves the oil and gas industries. If things continue like this, it will lead to the liquidation of the country. All that remains is to give Kudrin the opportunity to move his own way, not paying attention to his advice.

As for Putin’s current term, it will be different in that those around him will be afraid of losing what they have, and only thanks to the presence of Vladimir Putin on the captain’s bridge, they will try to snatch a fatter piece, betray it early, take everything away before they nail it down. This is what distinguished last years reign of Peter I and Catherine II. How exactly Putin will deal with this is a serious and personal problem for the president.

Vladislav Zhukovsky - economist:

Kudrin's proposals are the recommendations of the canonical ghouls in power, that is, when the issue concerns emptying the pockets of the population in an even more severe form: inventing some new taxes, levies, increasing taxes, introducing dozens of different non-tariff fees, etc. For some reason our notorious reformers and supposedly experts in government, who consider themselves liberals, call this structural reforms. In fact, this is another legalized way of brazenly getting into our pockets. For some reason they don’t say: let’s carry out painful unpopular reforms, for example, for the ruling offshore oligarchic vertical. Let's say, let's raise taxes on export and raw material income received by state monopolies and state oligarchs, introduce a progressive tax scale, which is found in all normal civilized countries... They never offer this.

But when the question concerns some other ways to get into the pockets of Russians, there are many options at once: let’s supposedly carry out a pension reform. Although let’s not forget that we have a collapse of the pension system, over the past 18 years three pension reforms have been carried out in the country, each of which ended in a completely expected and logical collapse and fiasco. That is, if we call the pension system this miserable existence from hand to mouth for 36 million old people, pensioners... And this is not a pension at all - a handout from the master’s shoulder, so that 36 million do not go on a hunger riot, as was the case with the monetization of benefits.

“THE NEW TERM WILL DETERMINE PUTIN’S PLACE IN HISTORY – NOT THE FIRST 17 YEARS OF RULE, BUT THE LAST SIX”

Valentin Katasonov - economist, professor of the department international finance MGIMO:

Usually a house is built from a foundation. And if we talk about the economy, economic reforms, then, of course, they must be built on a, let’s say, political, spiritual and ideological foundation.

And Kudrin assumes that all his reforms will be built on the foundation of a pro-Western, liberal ideology with everything that follows from this. And it’s better not for the former deputy prime minister to build a house, because the Kudrins and Chubais broke it, they, in principle, cannot build anything. Therefore, I think, first we need to stop, figuratively speaking, the fire. And in order to stop it, it is necessary, first of all, to bring the Central Bank to its senses, to bring it into line with the requirements of the Constitution Russian Federation, Firstly. Because now this is a cat that walks on its own, but there should be a government body. Secondly, the Central Bank should develop its own economy, and not serve overseas ones. That is, radical changes to the monetary model are necessary - money should be issued in the form of loans for the development of one’s own economy, and not in the form of perpetual loans to maintain the American budget and the US military machine.

Third, the immediate introduction of restrictions on cross-border capital movements. Just recently, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation published data for the first two months on Russia’s balance of payments - net capital outflow doubled compared to the same period last year, despite any economic sanctions or promises of forgiveness (regular amnesties). All the same, capital is running, where it is running, why - I don’t know. I assume that, most likely, to the only remaining offshore - The United States of America. And there they are waiting for him with open arms and will explain what expropriation, an expropriator, is. Here are three points just to stop the current catastrophe.

There are, of course, other ways, say, deoffshorization, but these are activities that require certain time, professional knowledge, skills and patience. And if we talk about the concept of economic reform, then we need to build a self-sufficient economy, return it to the state it had in best years XX century. Now it is a semi-colonial raw material appendage of the West.

Andrey Fursov- historian:

Any economy is an element of the whole. And any economic reforms are preceded by socio-political preparation. Just pick it up and carry it out economic reforms it is forbidden. We had such a guide - Pyotr Stolypin, who completely failed. The Bolsheviks made their reforms by changing the power system, the functional system. That is, economic reforms succeed when they do not break out of the whole. Otherwise - collapse. What Kudrin is talking about is precisely reform for the sake of reform. We can say that the new term will determine Putin's place in history - not the first 17 years of his reign, but the last six.

Marat Galeev - Chairman of the State Council of the Republic of Tatarstan Committee on Economics, Investment and Entrepreneurship:

In general, Kudrin always begins both political and structural reforms in governance with the courts. I think what he says is correct, and, in principle, I support his position in this regard. Although I don’t know whether he himself believes in all this or not... Probably not. But, I repeat, these reforms are needed, I agree with him. What does unpopular reform mean? Even if you try to carry them out, this does not mean that everything will immediately work as intended. This is a very long way, because society is not able to change quickly. Nevertheless, we need to move in this direction. But cosmetic reforms such as changing “militia” to “police”, which did not give the expected results, are not needed. Therefore, if you decide to undertake reforms, you need to understand their complexity and longevity. If, in anticipation of quick results, zigzags begin again, nothing will work out.

I will also note that there are political risks in the sense that not all of them will be popular, so every time, in every political election cycle, politicians postpone decision-making. So that’s why Kudrin says: either start making decisions now, as he put it, during the period of a “window of opportunity,” or later, before the next elections, there will again not be enough determination.

“WHERE THE SPOTLIGHT SHINES, THERE WILL BE LIGHT, BUT ALL AROUND THERE WILL BE DIRTY AND DARKNESS”

Dmitry Potapenko - manager of Management Development Group:

We need denationalization, let's put it this way. This will be very unpopular, since today 67 percent of the economy is in state-owned hands. They cannot be called state-owned, but they can be private, but directly related to individuals holding power. It’s not a bad idea to start working on the market at least someday, because we regularly claim that market reforms have taken place in our country, but in fact this is a lie. Since Kudrin thinks that there will be no real competitive political reforms in our country, he correctly tells the story that, most likely, they will begin to raise the retirement age not directly, but indirectly. This is already being actively done, since many are denied a pension due to the lack of a sufficient number of points. Plus, this is the introduction of direct currency control over citizens. I think this is exactly what is in Alexey Leonidovich’s thoughts.

In addition, I think that stagnation will continue in Russia, because the president himself has become a hostage to his own system. It does not have maneuverability, since this will lead to the system itself demolishing it. The President is a function. Putin built a system that was fixated on him - this is his biggest mistake. The system is not built on him, he can, like a wizard in a blue helicopter, cope with one problem, but it will not be global, other problems emerge. This system is not working. That is, wherever the spotlight shines, there will be light, but in general there will be dirt and darkness around. And since he will need to think about how to live for his grandchildren, the only option for him is to try to tighten the screws. But sooner or later the system will get rid of it.

Ilya Yashin - politician:

I don’t really agree with Kudrin - unpopular reforms are harmful for Russia. Our country needs reforms in the interests of the majority, and not in the interests of a narrow group of people who consider themselves masters of life and are accustomed to squandering money. And now, when the result of this policy affects the state’s economy, they believe that they need to milk money out of people. This concept is: people are the new oil. That is, oil has become cheaper, now we will tighten our belts and suck out the remaining savings from people, so we need to carry out unpopular reforms, raise the retirement age, etc. I repeat, I do not agree with this, I have a different point of view. I believe that we need to fundamentally change the structure of the Russian economy. What's her problem? It depends on the sale of energy resources abroad, and everything must be based on modern technologies; this is the direction in which we need to develop. For this, of course, political reforms are necessary, because from “suffocation” no economic growth is possible, you can only sell oil and weapons, nothing else will work. We need political reform, turnover of power, as fair elections as possible, we need freedom of speech in the country, freedom of entrepreneurship, creativity, a reduction in administrative barriers for business, it is necessary to establish civilian control over the security forces. Then enterprises will begin to develop, then work will begin in the country modern technologies, innovative things. And this, of course, will give impetus to the economic development of the country.

Will any of this come to fruition in the next six years? I would like to believe, of course, but, frankly speaking, the election results greatly undermine this optimism. That is, I am an optimist, although I understand that there is no reason for this. As for Putin's current term, I don't know how it will differ from others. I am afraid that, unfortunately, he already lives in his own world, does not listen to anyone’s advice, does not understand the real picture of what is happening in the country. Therefore, there are many dangers and risks associated with Putin’s new term and precisely with the fact that he has been in power for a very long time. If you remember, at one time he himself said that a long stay in power can drive a person crazy. Translated into Russian, this means (and I absolutely agree with this) that being in power for a long time blurs a person’s real, adequate assessment of what is happening around him. And this is precisely why Putin becomes dangerous in his new term. In general, such symptoms were very noticeable in the previous one. And the loss of connection with reality, his self-perception as a great historical figure, his obvious focus on foreign policy to the detriment of the internal ones (they say, let's tighten our belts, but we will show everyone our iron will) create huge risks for the country.

Damir Iskhakov - doctor historical sciences:

The first direction of reform is very important - to increase the economic rights of the regions, that is, budget allocations should be changed in favor of the regions. The second is to strengthen the role of medium and small businesses: it is necessary to finally create such economic conditions so that medium and small entrepreneurs begin to feel normal and develop their business. Otherwise, everything is absorbed by big business, so our development is one-sided, one-sided. Well, of course, against this background it is imperative to develop democratic tendencies. I don’t think that democracy will develop in our country right away, but we need to create some conditions for this. I am a big pessimist on all three positions, but at least claims are being made in this regard, Kudrin is not all that bad, however, he is trying to avoid the most serious issues. Alexey Leonidovich is focusing on the management structure, and simply changing the structure without changing the rest... The current term has a very important difference: somewhere closer to its middle, a fight for the next ruler will begin. New forces are becoming more active and want to take power in Russia. Therefore, this period for Putin will be completely turbulent; the moment will very quickly come when he will experience the hardships of Russian rule.

“QUESTION: WHO WILL IMPLEMENT?”

Rustam Kurchakov - economist:

No reforms are needed anymore, so much has been said about them, so many options... When there are so many, then nothing is needed. It will definitely change in the next six years, it will change in the next month and flow in the other direction. The current presidential term will not differ from the previous one only in the figure of the president, but everything else will be different. The figure is the same, but, as Vysotsky sang, “it’s just another person, but I’m the same.” Putin will say in an interview: “What are you talking about? I’m the same,” and everything will be different. He probably wanted to leave everything as it was, but that’s impossible. The river flowed in the other direction, like a spring flood, Navruz has already marked the point of bifurcation and the point of no return, the flood begins, people think that everything will be fine. Suddenly, unexpectedly, everything changes. That's how it works. Man proposes, but the Lord, with the help of nature, disposes. This is how it will be approximately.

Fanir Galimov - entrepreneur, chairman of the board of the all-Russian public organization “Tatar Villages of Russia”:

I don't even know what to say modern world everything is so uncertain. Everyone says it seems right and beautiful, but in fact it’s a lie. They say one thing, I want to believe it, others say the same thing. I think something will change in the new term, Putin was re-elected, he will begin changes. They say about the Tatars that they are cunning, we, with our cunning and perseverance, must do something about these reforms. If something doesn't change, then there is no meaning to life.

Iskander Zigangaraev - General Director of KZhK Logistics:

I don’t think strong political reforms are needed now, it’s just that the smooth course we’ve taken needs to be continued. Now the country has rallied around a single leader, he has his own vision, we need to strengthen our defense capability, but we shouldn’t get too carried away and increase the military budget. It is necessary to strengthen relations with China, because this is a large consumer market, their GDP is growing, and accordingly, they will consume more food and electricity. We need to focus on this country. We need to stop selling raw wood. We need to develop small and medium-sized businesses and support entrepreneurship. Putin relies on the power of the bourgeoisie; they need to be made patriots of Russia so that they do not take away the money they earn. I think the reforms will be implemented, I believe that Putin will not lead us to stagnation, there will be no Brezhnevism, we have already moved away from this. He even differs in characteristics from Brezhnev - active, involved in sports, in polemics a wise man, foreign politicians cannot shut his mouth, he is balanced, his policy is balanced. The only thing is that we want everything quickly: they say, the boss will come and change the whole country, but that doesn’t happen. Putin is doing everything gradually, they say that he is covering up for his oligarch friends... But he’s not covering up - it’s impossible to imprison everyone at once, then there will be a revolution.

Ferid Ayupov - President of the Simbirsk House group of companies:

Firstly, it is necessary to reduce the state apparatus, and not only because it is a big cost for the budget, as they say, every official is looking for a job, so fewer officials means there will be fewer of these moments. Secondly, tax reform is needed in terms of simplification. A huge layer of tax administration is entrusted to enterprises and organizations, because accounting departments are engaged in calculating taxes, take a lot of time from businesses, support this apparatus, but in fact they are engaged in calculating taxes. Especially for small and medium-sized businesses, simplification is needed. Greater introduction of simplified tax: you pay and you work for a year. I think economic development will be breakthrough as soon as loan rates fall. If we have crises every 8 years, then until 2022 we can still work and work calmly.

I would also like to be involved in improving the health of the nation. We spend a lot of money on healthcare, but at the same time no one is promoting a healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. I mean on a national scale. Then we will be a healthy nation, we will spend less on medicine, people will feel comfortable. I think that what Vladimir Vladimirovich outlined, the tasks he sets, do not raise any questions. Question: who will implement it? With such a strong political leader, it would be more rational to have a stronger team that would implement economic programs.